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(I use “Tree” background which usually echoes (rather cleverly) the weather outside.  It’s not snowing. and as far as I know there’s no forecast of it. Stop it, Gmail!!

Sunny Intervals This is the weather symbol for Tuesday.  I have no idea what that yellow thing is.  SCARY!!  Eggses in the sky!

The super-teddypig has a very interesting post discussing some wanker’s opinion on Brokeback Mountain. Amazingly manages to be homophobic and chauvinistic in the same article!! (the wanker, not Teddy). As I said in my comment on the post, time and again I see the argument “this does not represent ‘the gay experience’” – because it doesn’t represent THEIR gay experience.  Well, Mr Man, I’ve news for you. No fiction represents my experience. How could it?  Every single person’s experience is different!  There are cases where people read books and go “OH my god, this was my LIFE!” but that’s pretty rare.  A while back someone else said “this is not my experience” (I believe the complainant lived in LA) and I simply pointed out that a guy from LA is going to have a completely difference experience than one in, say, Cardiff, or Oslo, or Melbourne… or even perhaps from the guy next door…

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Date: 2010-01-25 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joannesopercook.livejournal.com
How do you get Gmail to snow? Mine doesn't snow...

I love how these people get all up in one's face about "Well, that's not MY experience" - as if the book/movie/music/comic were something they ordered custom-made for them personally and they're all huffy because it's not what they wanted. ART IS NOT A GODDAMN SMURF CAKE YOU ORDER FROM THE SUPERMARKET. (I want to shout this at them. I really, really do.)

Date: 2010-01-25 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] semioticwarrior.livejournal.com
Aren't the vast majority of female characters in literature, across time, male interpretations of what they think women are like? Some men write women beautifully, and others, miserably. And yet nobody's questioning it.

If we all wrote our own experience, and only that, there would be no fiction.

I can't even read these sorts of articles anymore. Doing so only gives legitimacy to the idea that women should only be "allowed" to write about certain things, which, as we all know, is bullshit.

Date: 2010-01-25 03:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lee-rowan.livejournal.com
The best response to any of that wank came from a female m/m writer down at the Saints & Sinners event in New Orleans. An older man stopped by her table and commented he wasn't sure he approved, and she said, "I didn't ask your permission, Daddy."

Wish I could remember who that was, because she pretty much said it all.

Date: 2010-01-25 03:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nagasvoice.livejournal.com
Excellent. I am reminded of Rocky Horror: "I didn't make him for you."

Date: 2010-01-25 03:47 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] seraphim-grace.livejournal.com
you know what bugs me is immediately we are pinholing fiction into genres and not judging the work for what it is
okay lets be fair, brokeback mountain is mastubatory angst fic, it bored me something chronic (and my extremely church going irish catholic aunt gave it to me) and I couldn't be bothered to sit through the film. I didn't care for the characters and kinda wished them to freeze to death up the mountain
Now I just sat through Azumi a story which was completely plotless about a young girl in heian japan killing folks with a sword so obviously I'm easy to please (it was great)
did i despise it because it was gay, no, did i try to read it because it was gay, no, i read it because my aunt said it was lovely (I traded her a copy of GGK's Tigana, she phoned me up in tears, oh, i can't stop crying, it's so lovely,) although I have learned my lesson since she recced twilight.

but in other news
the cover of standish always reminds me of this stately home that i live right beside (it's less than a mile from door to door and most of that is through it's land) Elvaston Castle which always strikes me every time i see your icon

and b) to be a complete hypocrite I just got accepted for a gay historical and thought you'd like to know

Date: 2010-01-25 05:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gehayi.livejournal.com
Teachmetonight had the usual essay today asking why women write M/M. AGAIN. The basis of the essay was a book written in 1958: Magic Mommas, Trembling Sisters, Puritans and Perverts: Feminist Essays by Joanna Russ. The typical notions were trotted out:

1) Straight women are the primary writers of M/M.
2) They do so because they think it is hot.
3) They do so because it fulfills some deep-seated need to have a relationship between equals, which they cannot imagine between a man and a woman.

You know, it's funny. I've never seen anyone up in arms about men writing books with f/f pairings. I've never seen anyone psychoanalyzing male writers for writing about lesbians, or anyone not a radical feminist asking if men can write women credibly at all. I've seen specific writers criticized for not writing believable women, mind. But I've never seen critics brooding over men writing books with female leads or with female/female pairings and asking why, why, WHY they do something so odd, so divergent, or what deep-seated need writing about gay women satisfies in male writers...who are, of course, primarily straight.

I don't understand why we have to keep explaining why we write what we do, despite not having personal experience with this kind of sex. No one is shocked by mystery writers describing murders that they haven't committed. Authors of hard science fiction are not compelled to be astronauts. No one ever insisted that Isaac Asimov build robots before codifying the Three Laws of Robotics. Ray Bradbury never set foot on Mars--indeed, his Mars is nothing like the one that we know of today--but The Martian Chronicles is still selling in bookstores. No one insists on writers of historicals owning TARDISes and traveling back in time to do on-the-spot research. And I'm fairly certain that Poe was never held prisoner by the Spanish Inquisition and forced to lie beneath a descending blade, nor do I believe that he ever walled up a man alive in a wine cellar. I do not think that Shakespeare was ever a thirteen-year-old girl in love, an ambitious and murderous Scottish noblewoman, an Amazon woman about to marry a Greek aristocrat, or the Queen of Egypt...yet, though I've been reading Shakespeare commentary since I was thirteen, I have never seen any critic suggest that the Bard had no right to write about lives, times and places that he could not possibly have experienced.

Yet as soon as anyone gets on the subject of women writing about men, or men in love with each other, there is a flurry of panic. How can women be writing about this? Why are women writing about this? Why do they need to write about such a strange, strange subject? And why should they write about men? Why don't they write about women?

That women writers are writers first and foremost, and that writers write about anything that they choose whenever they choose provided a particular character, setting, plot or theme strikes their fancy seems not to have occurred to any of the pop psychologists or armchair critics who seem to be saying--whether they consciously intend to say it or not--that while men can write anything they please, the same courtesy should not be extended to women...at least not without a solid psychological explanation and permission granted by their most fervent opponents.

I am sure that many of the critics and analysts do not hear the comment underlying their critique. I'm sure they would say that they just want to understand a growing phenomenon. And yet...when you say to someone, "Why did you DO such a thing?", implicit in that statement are the words, "I don't think that you should have. And I don't think that you should do so in the future, either."

Oddly, not one critic has ever questioned his or her own right to judge whether a group of authors should or should not cease to write on a particular subject because of their sex and/or sexuality.

Interesting, isn't it?

Date: 2010-01-25 05:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lee-rowan.livejournal.com
Why did a man write Madame Bovary? Or Anna Karenina or A Doll's House

It cracks me up that so many guys whine about 'hetero' privilege - though it doesn't apply to a number of us writing m/m - but they don't see that they're speaking from the long-established male privilege that gives them the notion that they have the right to tell women what to do.

As George Carlin would probably have said... un-fuck them.

Date: 2010-01-25 05:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chris-smith-atr.livejournal.com
Your dragons still appear to be covered in yellow stringy goop.

I am attempting my "sit on hands and ignore the wankers" philosophy. It's not too bad, I just get on my high horse and feel extremely patronising and pitying and smug by their limited vision and circumscribed thoughts/lives. If that makes me a prat, well at least it makes me a prat who has energy left to edit/work/do sutffs.

Date: 2010-01-25 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gehayi.livejournal.com
It cracks me up that so many guys whine about 'hetero' privilege - though it doesn't apply to a number of us writing m/m - but they don't see that they're speaking from the long-established male privilege that gives them the notion that they have the right to tell women what to do.

The drivel over at Teachmetonight was by a woman. An academic, of course. Several women pointed out that at least one of her presumptions was flawed (the one about m/m writers being primarily straight), but she didn't respond to them...just to the ones who spoke fluent Academe.

I think there's even less excuse for a woman to be demanding justification than a man. A woman should realize that demanding that women writers justify their writing on Topic X when men writers are presumed to have every right to tell any story they please without having to justify themselves to anyone is just buying into male privilege. I can understand a man not realizing what advantages being male gives him...but a woman should see this.

Date: 2010-01-25 07:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beckyblack
Have you got your correct location in your Google profile? I think that's where it picks the weather forecast up from.

Date: 2010-01-25 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
He is a complete dick, and that's insulting dicks. He seems to think that only gay men go and find multiple partners when they first become sexually active. Er...has he been to Norwich on a Sat'day night? I doubt it....

As for the snow on gmail (far more fun) go to "settings" and then "themes" and select "tree" - then go to the bottom of the page and make sure your location is correct and it should mirror the weather in your area. (although it will be easy enough for the PC to guess. BLOODY COLD SNOW or HOT for you. :) It's very clever. Mine is correct today. Very grey and cloudy.

Date: 2010-01-25 12:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
Oh, that's brilliant! :)

Date: 2010-01-25 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
What depresses me--and something I was saying to [livejournal.com profile] c_smith_author yesterday is that I'm going to encounter this argument for my entire life.

Date: 2010-01-25 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
1985, not 1958.

Date: 2010-01-25 01:29 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-01-25 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
It's much the best thing, to ignore 'em. You wait till you start taking it personally, though...

*glum*

Date: 2010-01-25 01:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
Do tell me more about this gay historical?

Date: 2010-01-25 02:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] seraphim-grace.livejournal.com
it's a wee one, as in only 5k set in turn of the century Edo Japan with a calligrapher and a samurai where the samurai goes off to protest against the emperor and the calligrapher is left behind.

It won't be out until the summer at the earliest but it's in Tanbi (called Tanbi too) but it's as much about the period as the characters in it.

Date: 2010-01-25 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
Excellent! I love that era. Keep me posted and i'll put it on the list when it's available. We'll want to review it too.

Date: 2010-01-25 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gehayi.livejournal.com
Have they changed it? I could have sworn they said that Russ's book came out in 1958. Of course, with my dyscalculia, it's entirely possible that I misread the date.

Date: 2010-01-25 04:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beckyblack
He is a complete dick, and that's insulting dicks. He seems to think that only gay men go and find multiple partners when they first become sexually active. Er...has he been to Norwich on a Sat'day night? I doubt it....

I'm pretty sure straight guys would have as many partners as gay guys - if they could just persuade women to go along with the idea. That's not a gay thing, it's a man thing. (Speaking in generalities here.)

Date: 2010-01-25 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spirit-serpenti.livejournal.com
And MY Gmail doesn't snow - even though it has been snowing for days outside where I live. D'oh!

Date: 2010-01-25 04:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beckyblack
Who knows then? The forecast seems to keep changing every time I look at it anyway. "Oh, we said it was gonna rain at 3pm, but no! Now it's gonna be foggy and then hail!" What good is that to me?

Google snow

Date: 2010-01-26 12:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joannesopercook.livejournal.com
Now I have it. Although right now it is showing daylight when it has been dark for...nearly five hours. LOL

Date: 2010-01-26 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joannesopercook.livejournal.com
I can't even read these sorts of articles anymore. Doing so only gives legitimacy to the idea that women should only be "allowed" to write about certain things, which, as we all know, is bullshit.

Bravo! Yes, absolutely and I agree 100% - plus, for me, there is an added inducement: telling me I cannot do something is almost a complete guarantee I will do precisely that thing, just because. :)

Date: 2010-01-26 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joannesopercook.livejournal.com
I don't know why - maybe it's my essential personality or maybe it's my age - but I don't give a toss what some wanker thinks I should be doing. What it boils down to is that I'm an adult and I do whatever the hell I like. If there are people who don't like that, then it's their problem and I'm not in any way obligated to adjust my behaviour to make them happy. Hell, I'll do the thing they hate just to piss them off - and excel at it - and if that makes me childish and reactionary, then colour me childish and reactionary.

I remember having this same tired old argument in grad school around the notion of 'standpoint theory' - i.e., that we should only write our own experiences.

Bullshit. We should do what we feel like doing. That's what life is all about. I remember a few months back, some chap on a friend's LJ trying to engage me in a similar argument and him writing out long, expository passages in the comments until finally I said "Clearly you mistake me for someone who cares what you think."

I just...haven't got time to worry about what people think. I have work to do; I have books to write and things to accomplish.

IMHO opinions are like assholes; everybody's got one...

Date: 2010-01-26 12:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joannesopercook.livejournal.com
I just get on my high horse and feel extremely patronising and pitying and smug by their limited vision and circumscribed thoughts/lives. If that makes me a prat, well at least it makes me a prat who has energy left to edit/work/do sutffs.

Fookin' RIGHT. And my personal horse is pretty goddamn high, I can tell you that. :D

Date: 2010-01-26 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joannesopercook.livejournal.com
I think what it ultimately comes down to is that male privilege is still so bloody entrenched in our culture that it's become inured to the kind of criticism launched at women writers.

The other thing is that academia is full of sad wankers who couldn't get laid when they were younger. ^__________^

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