Gay Marriage

[erastes]

Portugal: 125 to 99 in favour
New Jersey 20 to 14 against

Grow up, America, for God's sake.

Comments

[taylorbooks.livejournal.com]

Not bad. They voted in Tennessee (where most of my extended family lives) a few years back and the percentage was 87 to 13 against.

[sang-dencre.livejournal.com]

That sucks. So ignorant. It makes me so mad.

I'm glad to live in NZ - we voted yes 6 years ago - and my other home (Holland) was ever earlier in 2001.(Although I am disturbed that this is bought to a public vote in so many places, and not just given as a basic human right.)

Sigh - still, Go Portugal!

[liebesdammerung.livejournal.com]

I am disturbed about that too. I've heard people say OMG, the People don't want gay marriage! Look at how it's being torn down by the Almighty People!

My response: if integration had been brought up to a popular vote, do you think it would have passed?

Sometimes the government really does need to step in.

[aigooism.livejournal.com]

Amen. X__X

[aphephobia.livejournal.com]

I wish Australia would, too. Like the Americans, our politicians aren't just indifferent or 'no' about it, they're actively trying to stop it happening. A few years ago, the former PM* changed marriage laws where the celebrant HAS to read out this awful little spiel about how marriage is between a man and a woman and it trumps every other relationship, blah blah blah.

I never wanted to get married ANYWAY, but when they pull shit like that, it's just like rubbing it in people's faces that they can't marry. Wouldn't even consider getting married whilst living here, or while that law exists.


* And if our current PM was able to apologise to indigenous Australians, and overturn the horrible IR laws the Howard government wanted to push through, why the hell can't he do something about this, I ask?

[crossthebar.livejournal.com]

indeed

[shiawmeimei.livejournal.com]

The US needs to get rid of the ignorant fundamental Christian assholes who lead senators and congressmen by the pocketbooks. These fundy groups actively take up donations to fight for anything except their narrowminded bigoted point of view. If they had their way, we'd be a theocracy with the death penalty for anyone who doesn't believe in their distorted version of religion. The far right in this country is just as fanatical as any terrorist. They are destroying the very constitution they claim to defend.

[spindriftdancer.livejournal.com]

Well, the problem is... there isn't anywhere else to send them(: That's why America got created, 'cause the British got fed up and tired with the fundies back THEN! ;p

I wonder if the moon would be far enough away?

[vaughn-r-demont.livejournal.com]

What was really funny, kinda, was when New York voted it down. Everyone acted so shocked. "How!?! There's the Village and Christopher Street and the Stonewall Riots, how could it get voted down!?!" Simple answer? All those places are New York City, and in the state congress, NYC only makes up maybe 10-15% of the reps and sens.
The funny thing, kinda, is that if it weren't for New York City, New York State would be one of the most conservative states in the country, or at least one of the most anti-gay. Seriously. Iowa is more progressive than we are up here.

And c'mon, did you really expect any less from us? We were founded by religious zealots who thought the Anglican Church was too liberal, criminals, and people that were sold by their families into indentured servitude. :)

[ammonite7.livejournal.com]

Which is what the U.S. has in common with Australia.

[spindriftdancer.livejournal.com]

Funny, that...

[lb-x.livejournal.com]

I don't understand what people think will happen when gay marriage is allowed. For all the fuss that was made when it passed, the issue never makes Canadian news anymore. And our streets haven't suddenly been taken over by gay couples making out or anything either. Just business as usual. If a church doesn't support gay marriage, well, then go find a church that does (and vice versa)

But good for Portugal!

[emeraldsedai.livejournal.com]

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal...unless they're gay. Or, you know, not men. Or from other countries. Or poor. Or sick. Or generally not-white.

We have so far to go. Human and civil rights are not given by a vote of the people.

Damn. So tired of being American. Wish it weren't too late to change.

[lee-rowan.livejournal.com]

It isn't really about what might happen--it's about power and control.

What America's gay activists need to do is GET THE FIRST WORD in on these propositions.

Prop 8 is a good example: it was worded in such a way that it's difficult to tell what exactly was being said, and the worst part was that in order to vote FOR gay marriage you had to vote AGAINST prop 8. It's an established fact that, statistically, this kind of thing tends to get more yes votes than no, even if people aren't sure what it's for.

I'm not sanguine about the situation in California, either. Even if the prop 8 opponents (who are neocons, and not people I would trust an inch) win the case, it will be shoved along to the Supreme Court, which has been stacked with more neocons by Bush 1 and 2.

Even with all the difficulties of the move - I'm not sorry we decided to emigrate to Canada.

[spindriftdancer.livejournal.com]

And, Canada is better for every lovely, fed-up person who decides to come north (:

One more vote against the encroaching neo-con-artists up here.

[lee-rowan.livejournal.com]

You said it. I'll be elegible to apply for citizenship in July. I hope BabyBush can refrain from forcing another election until I can register!

[spindriftdancer.livejournal.com]

Honey, he's going to hold on until the bitter, bitter end. Steve knows that his party is getting flushed.

Of all things, the NDP and Greens are gaining the numbers he's losing! About time! I would have thought it would have gone to the Liberals, but it looks like Ignatief is so white-bread-boring that even Layton seems like a better alternative.

Go, Jack!

[gavinatlas.livejournal.com]

Portugal sounds nice. Maybe I should pack up all my friends and we'll move there. I'm sure the evangelists here will approve.

[spindriftdancer.livejournal.com]

Canada is closer...

*entice...entice*

[nagasvoice.livejournal.com]

Canada sounds really good, some days.
And you can't just blame it on money, on big business buying up Senators (they're very cheap, you know) and propaganda by right wing media (there's so much of that, too) and so on. When you get polling numbers like 45% in favor of Prop. 8 (or Hate, as we call it around here) then you know there's a tonload of bigotry and shocking ignorance out there. I blame most of it on laziness about math homework, followed by laziness about teaching science, actually. So much easier to sluff off into fundie nutjob beliefs (claims such as the world was made 6000 years ago) repeated by very authoritative pulpits, rather than actually listen at school to the nerdy physicist trying to explain optics with 19th century equipment.