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Plot Schmot

Oh Bah bah and thrice bah!

Why do I have try to be accurate? Why can’t I just write the blithering thing and not worry about whether words like Jingoism were in circulation in 1816? (it wasn’t). Why do I care whether Sandhurst existed or not? (It didn’t) Why do I care what the weather was like??? grrrrr.

Research holds things UP.

*stabs self* I want to be the sort of writer who DOESN’T GIVE A STUFF.

*stabs characters*

This Is all gehayi’s fault anyway. *stabs her* She made it expand into a novel. We brainstormed last night and now I’ve got character traits for one of my gay young men, and a strong woman character (which makes a first for me)

I don’t actually have any PLOT so the characters will have to work that out as they go along, as usual. *pokes them*

And I’ve just contacted a web designer regarding a new website…. *excited *

Date: 2007-02-15 04:34 pm (UTC)
aunty_marion: Vaguely Norse-interlace dragon, with knitting (Nailcote Hall in the snow)
From: [personal profile] aunty_marion
Sounds excellent all round to me! Someday shortly I should abuse my debit card and actually *buy* Standish. Maybe if I do it soon, I'll have it to read on the plane to Canada. I wonder if I could get "Thaw" as well? Two good distractions are better than one...

Date: 2007-02-15 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rmanley.livejournal.com
If it's any comfort, I'm beginning to tinker with my epistolary novel after I got so exasperated over details in GF. *is in denial* Not a good thing.

I can share a scene from GF written in Dan Brown style. Am I allowed to torture you when I get home from work? >:D

Thaw

Date: 2007-02-15 05:42 pm (UTC)
ext_7717: Lilian heart ("Which is the right side?")
From: [identity profile] lilian-cho.livejournal.com
There's a second novel out already? O_o

"a strong woman character"

Date: 2007-02-15 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubaiyan.livejournal.com
Yay!

It took me forever to research a wedding bouquet. ["Was that flower cultivated in the Regency? No one cares, why do I??"

Re: Thaw

Date: 2007-02-15 06:15 pm (UTC)
ext_7717: Lilian heart (Aziraphale also worshiped books)
From: [identity profile] lilian-cho.livejournal.com
Ah, gotcha.

I was thinking, "Damn, that quick?" X-D

Date: 2007-02-15 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tharain.livejournal.com
Oddly, when working on my first novel (which I'm editing and cleaning up at the moment), I loved the research. I traveled about the Bay Area, checking out locations, and surfed the net, getting images sso there was more detail than "a vase" and "a car."

However, I was writing contemporary fiction, so it's a little easier. I have an idea for something set in the 1940s, and I figure it will take me about five years of study to be ready for it.

My new one is also a book with characters and no plot whatsoever. MOST annoying. I sit there and look at the characters, and say "Well? DO something!"

Date: 2007-02-15 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
I sort of have a love hate relationship with research and I'd be no better with contemporary stuff because I'd still have to make sure it was right.

I'm like you too - I get pictures. For Standish I had pictures of Fleury's stiletto dagger, the type of Gondala that Rafe had, pictures of all the locations they visited - it really helped.

The one i SHOULD be writing (and not this regency procrastination) is a 1960;s piece and that IS hard, because when you look up fashion in the 60's you get a ton of stuff about what the trendy people were wearing, but not the everyday teenager whose clothes are bought by their mum....

:)

Re: "a strong woman character"

Date: 2007-02-15 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
and then I make ONE mistake in Standish... and someone spots it!

Argh!

Date: 2007-02-15 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
PLEASE DO!

I'M HOME NOW!!! *waits impatiently*

Date: 2007-02-15 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
yes! you should! *biffs*

Date: 2007-02-15 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tharain.livejournal.com
Heh. I know the "Make Sure It's Right" thing. I took a ferry fide across San Pablo Bay at sunset to make certain that the views I described as being from a sailboat at sunset were accurate. I should have taken a sailboat, to check the times of travel, but 70 classic bermuda yawls are just a little short in supply.

As for the clothing, well, could you find someone who was alive then and simply ask them, or get pictures of them as kids. I mean, not that I remember what I was wearing in the Sixties. If I was. ::shifty eyes::

Date: 2007-02-15 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
that's a bloomin' good idea! if i do it in a screened thread then no-one else needs to see the piccies!

Thanks!!

Date: 2007-02-15 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tharain.livejournal.com
You're welcome. Wisdom of the Ancients, you know.

Date: 2007-02-15 09:13 pm (UTC)
aunty_marion: Vaguely Norse-interlace dragon, with knitting (7500 spells and hexes in your pocket)
From: [personal profile] aunty_marion
Thank goodness I don't have any pictures of me in the 60s! (My mum has them all...) Including ... oh, the psychedelic tunic top, the orange jeans, the yellow corduroy jeans, the psychedelic green & yellow chiffon button-front dress.... *shudder*

Mind you, I came off pretty well compared with one girl at junior school, whose mother used to send her to school in KNITTED skirts. Or trousers. Ewwwwww....

Date: 2007-02-15 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lee-rowan.livejournal.com
Jingoism was in common use by 1878. "By Jingo" used by 1695, but only as an exclamation.

As for kids in the 60's ... it depends a little on where they lived and family income. But 'designer jeans' weren't around -- unless you count Levis or Lee Rider jeans. Depends on how old the kids were, too. And what part of the decade, too; it went from post-WW2 to wild&crazy hippie stuff. And there was a period where pseudo-Edwardian, "Carnaby Street" clothes were in - huge lapels, ties you could use for signal flags .... interesting decade, though I was in parochial-school uniforms for much of it.

You wouldn't like being a writer who doesn't care. Can you imagine anything worse than despising one's own writing?

Date: 2007-02-16 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rwday.livejournal.com
Because if you didn't worry about things like that, your book would suck. A historical novel that doesn't have the history right might as well just pack it in. And as you don't have it in you to write a sucky book, you care, and you worry. And it's worth it.

Not that I haven't thought the exact same thing when I'm digging through accounts of 12th century pilgrimages and worrying if something described in 1160 was there in 1138 or not.

(That being said, I'm having a very good time on vacation playing with my space opera where if I want a particular character in a particular place, I don't have to worry if that place existed yet.)

Ooo! New website!! *bounces*

Date: 2007-02-16 07:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rmanley.livejournal.com
*cackle*

Alas alack, I put in overtime today, and I'm bushed. I'll have to make you suffer a little longer while I sleep in and then run errands through the first half of Friday.

Besides, I need to find the file. I have it saved in Andy's computer, not my laptop, like the dork that I am.

Date: 2007-02-16 08:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
I don't know what I'd do without the darling online etymology dictionary. So much so that I gave it an acknowledgement in Standish. I stuck with patriotic and warlike in the end.

I do take a lot of satisfaction in getting it as right as I can, but BAH! I get frustrated with it at the time. LJ was saved my rantings about Standish because I hadn't discovered it at the time.

About the sixties, yes, that's the trouble, this boy is very ordinary, living in a normal suburb in a town in England and his mother buys his clothes, so he just wears ordinary jeans and tee shirts and jumpers and he has ordinary trousers for "best" but I think i will do that photo call that was suggested. Even if people are too young, they might have pictures of their parents in the early 60s in England.

Date: 2007-02-16 08:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
I know, I know... it's just that the internet was saved my constant frustration with Standish research... have to vent at times.

The webdesigner is too busy to do anything until June and you know me and patience, so she's going to see if she can recommend someone else.

Date: 2007-02-16 09:33 pm (UTC)
aunty_marion: Vaguely Norse-interlace dragon, with knitting (Nailcote Hall in the snow)
From: [personal profile] aunty_marion
I have yielded to temptation and ordered "Standish" from Amazon.co.uk. (Also "Who Killed Albus Dumbledore?", which sounds like a fairly fun read). "A Strong and Sudden Thaw", however, is 'currently unavailable' from Amazon.com. Grrrrr....

Date: 2007-02-16 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
Squee! I really hope you like it.

as for Thaw - mail rwday - I'm quite sure that she'll order one for you and accept paypal from you. She's in SF until Sunday tho.

Date: 2007-02-16 09:51 pm (UTC)
aunty_marion: (iSnape hand)
From: [personal profile] aunty_marion
I'm sure she would, but I don't have Paypal. I was planning on abusing my Visa debit card some more...

Date: 2007-02-17 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rwday.livejournal.com
I had a knitted dress from about 1966 or so - it was green with these spots of color so I looked like a Christmas tree. Horrid.

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