Torchwood Day 4

[erastes]

I hate being right.

Comments

[beckyblack]

I didn't even suspect and I'd seen no spoilers, so it was right out of the blue for me. Devastated!

[erastes.livejournal.com]

I'd seen no spoilers, but the script was too Red Shirt Alert for me. Wah!!!

[aunty_marion]

I was half-expecting it from hints I'd seen. But... WAH!

(And where are the nanites when we need them, dammit?)

[erastes.livejournal.com]

I wish I'd seen the spoilers but I'd been avoiding them like the plague as usual - I might have had less of a reaction. :(

I'll be sick as a pig if we are back to the bad old days of "yes, they are gay and happy, but of course this means they have to die."

[aunty_marion]

One can only hope Rusty isn't quite that shallow.

[erastes.livejournal.com]

I HOPE. I really really do.

[cerisaye.livejournal.com]

I was aware of rumours this was in the cards, but NEVER believed they'd do it!

The whole thing with the cabinet deciding to use league tables in the selection process was darkly funny and worryingly credible.

[erastes.livejournal.com]

I'd been studiously avoiding the rumours and spoilers but the script was running that way.

it's like when those two young men in "Master & Commander" shake hands and say "See you after the battle"...

and you just KNOW....

And yes - the league tables was exactly what they WOULD do (after all the orphans and fugees) and thereby terrifying.

[lee-rowan.livejournal.com]

I'm just guessing here... but I sort of lost interest in TW when they killed Tosh. When teh creator of a show says "Oh, all our characters are young because nobody survives very long," you know it's going to be another case of "Handsome and Tormented Hero, Poor baby, he is the veritable Kiss o'Death.

Feh.

AFAIC, everything after the Adam episode -- you remember Adam, early on in 2nd season? -- was part of his hallucinations to wring out angst. At least that's how next season would go if I had the reins.

[erastes.livejournal.com]

I suppose we have to expect a certain level of turnover here - our series' don't have the same staff loyalty as the USA does, the actors don't like to stay in one thing too long, which is often the case, but... I was thinking that Ianto would leave because he couldn't cope with what Jack had done in 1965, not this. This was pointless and wrong, so I'm staying optimistic until tomorrow!!!

[beckyblack]

RTD is not exactly shy about pulling out a cheesy reset button ending. And if he did here, I wouldn't know whether to be happy or sad.

Or he's learnt his lesson from resolutely not killing companions on Doctor Who and has figured out it only hurts if the characters actually die! Or what he did to Donna. Because that was evil.

[erastes.livejournal.com]

Too much - killing the others was bearable, and killing more in the future, but it's not necessary to have a death every time - and this was entirely weak, which makes me suspect there's something to come - or perhaps i'm being an optimist. Tosh and Owen at least died doing useful stuff.

[beckyblack]

Yeah, with this one running over such a short time instead of spread over several weeks, then it does feel very soon after killing Tosh and Owen.

It definitely wasn't a very satisfactory death scene for such a cool character. He deserves better. Hah, maybe that's because I grew up with an opera loving mum, but the death scene has to be be a big deal. I can still get angry about how lame Trinity's was in the last Matrix movie. She deserved much better too.

[erastes.livejournal.com]

yes! true!

[spindriftdancer.livejournal.com]

Right. So, I'm not going to bother watching anything after I'm done season two...

Bleh.

[lee-rowan.livejournal.com]

It's a shame, too, because it could have been really good. Too many of the current crop of series honchos dont' realize that the CHARACTERS are what attract long-term, loyal fans.

[erastes.livejournal.com]

oh--its good, believe me!

[spindriftdancer.livejournal.com]

You'd think they might have realized that by now... It's *always* the characters. Dunno. Maybe they think that the general body-count is so high that people are numb and need to be prodded?

Double Bleh.

[lee-rowan.livejournal.com]

I think they're aiming at the teen fanboy audience who only cares about tits, explosions, and car chases.

[erastes.livejournal.com]

Except there aren't any of the above! Fat wobbly naked welshmen, that might count. man titty and not in the good way!

:)

[annephoenix.livejournal.com]

I hate you for being right too :(

[erastes.livejournal.com]

:(

[jl_merrow]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

It's all so clear in retrospect - all that being a couple stuff couldn't end well. But I was so taken in...

*weeps*

[erastes.livejournal.com]

I'd love so much to have an Empty Child moment.

"Everybody lives."

PLEASE!!!

[lexin.livejournal.com]

And Ianto was so full of win, too! Not fair!

[erastes.livejournal.com]

I'm not panicking yet.

OK. I'm panicking. Not despairing though.

YET.

[urbanoceanix.livejournal.com]

I'm with you, I'm staying hopeful until tomorrow's over.

[alex-beecroft.livejournal.com]

Oh no! I've just come home after ferrying children about to evening activities, and I've got TW taped, but now I'm not sure I want to watch it. I mean, Ianto is 95% of the reason why I watch TW, and if he's gone, I'm not sure I care.

Way to sidestep the 'are they a couple or aren't they?' question :(

[lovefromgirl.livejournal.com]

RTD: Made of fail even when he's not writing Rose/Doctor canon het.

*drops a black rose for the dearly departed*

[ariadneelda.livejournal.com]

Maybe there'll be some kind of a twist tomorrow? *hopes*

I just wish you hadn't used that spoilery mood. Just seeing it a little earlier I knew what would happen before watching the episode. :(

[annebrooke.livejournal.com]

Yes, it's a shame in terms of the growing acceptance of normal gay relationships - I think we needed to see more of that. But, in an artistic sense, Jack had to lose someone he loved after he'd send those children to a living death, so it does work.

Also, I have thought that the scriptwriters don't really know what to do with Jack & Ianto - one moment they were being a normal couple and the next (such as most recently in Jack's escape from the concrete prison) they weren't paying each other any sort of reasonable attention at all - after all, if my husband had just survived being in concrete, I hope I'd be a little more pleased to see him - and vice versa! It hasn't been consistent, and therefore has been grating on me. I hate to say it but they might have been due for a break ...

Axxx

[lareinenoire.livejournal.com]

I am still crossing my fingers and hoping for a turnaround tomorrow. Dammit, where is Steven 'Everybody Lives' Moffat when you need him???

[erastes.livejournal.com]

Me too. We need a man in a blue box. Some nanites.

What was that thingy that Jack did at the beginning of season one, saving someone's life?More of that pls!

[lareinenoire.livejournal.com]

Nanites! Yes! Surely Torchwood have some of those hidden away somewhere!