Oh-Kay….

Mar. 30th, 2010 12:34 pm
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So I finally had a look at the finalists for the RITAs

Good Lord. 

Just as well they allowed Harlequin/Mills & Boon back in, after threatening to dump them as an official publisher, or they’d have about three books on the short list.

And no surprise that there’s not one GLBTQ title on the entire list.  Not that i can see, anyway – if I’m wrong, I’ll be happy to be corrected. However, I didn’t see the nominations, so I don’t even know if there were any GLBT books even put forward.

Another year goes by and I feel that – with RWA – we are going backwards. At least last year there was discussion about it, complaints raised etc etc – this year, RWA once again ignores a huge proportion of their readers, and a smallish chunk of their membership – including an ENTIRE chapter – and no-one says anything?  Or have I missed where it’s been discussed? How are these people getting away with this discrimination? It just wouldn’t be allowed in the UK. What is the motivation, the REASON for the exclusion?  I’m baffled.

What strikes me is that it seems to be that the RWA are thinking – oh well, we’ve let THEM have a chapter of their own and have graciously accepted them into the mothership, and we’ve even allowed them to have their own awards, so that should be good enough.  This may not be the case, but it really looks that way from the outside.

However, it’s good to see Ellora’s Cave there, at least.

HOWEVER – the Rainbow Chapter has an award for any book with an ISBN published in 2009, and the details are here – you don’t need to be a member of RWA, either.

 

Adopt one today! -

Date: 2010-03-30 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] heidicullinan.livejournal.com
Yes. This is the organization where "Inspirational" has been a category for ten years but erotica has yet to appear. Also, right around 2002 they tried to define romance as between a man and a woman.

I love and hate RWA. I love the spirit and the idea, and I want that network and support for LGBT romances. But I hate the politics. It really is a good organization, and I belonged for a decade. I want desperately for there to be a place at that table for LGBT books, and I think it would be good for both RWA and LGBT romances. But right now I selfishly do not have interest in giving money and time for something I think will be dead in the water no matter how it's brought up. Sadly, what it needs is a bunch of us getting in there and rounding up troops. But I don't have the energy. I really, really don't.

It'd be nice if our sales were acknowledged too, but first we have to start getting $2000 advances. ALL authors at our houses. ALL. Because everything else is predatory/vanity publishing to RWA. Which was true--in 1999. And even 2003, maybe. Most of the time. Now? No.

Sorry. I could rant all day about RWA. It's still an open wound.

Date: 2010-03-30 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
Yes - and the sad thing is, I don't understand why they have to be so bigoted - an organisation as large as that could afford to be magnanimous and they wouldn't even notice the influx of GLBT writers. Ho hum - nothing I can do, I am just glad that the British version, the RNA doesn't have the same problems and for them, Romance is Romance.

Date: 2010-03-30 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] heidicullinan.livejournal.com
My personal theory is that the same preservation of the past mindset which is taking traditional NYC publishing down one scrape of the iceberg at a time is at work here. RWA was founded in the 80s when publishing was very different. The 90s changed everything, but I think it will be the 20s before that's fully understood. I think the next ten years are going to be huge changes for the industry, and I honestly don't think any of us can know where the safe zone is. But RWA is an institution now more than anything, and institutions don't like to change. I think it hurts them because they're so big; it's harder to turn a big ship.

Or not. I honestly don't know. I tend towards being too idealistic anyway. All I know is that I have better things to do with $100 than rejoin right now.

Date: 2010-03-31 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lee-rowan.livejournal.com
A lot of the romance business hierarchy is very right-wing. A couple of years ago--an election year, I think--they did a 'this year's retrospective' that included such delightful slides as the 911 attacks on New York. (Duh? Where are most publishers...?) It ticked a lot of people off, but the real power is still in the purse-strings.

The same cadre of church ladies did that RT survey on whether people were interested in reading m/m ... expecting that their members would tell them what they wanted to hear ... and then threw out the poll when it showed about 65+% in favor of m/m.

As long as the gang who wraps itself in the flag and waves the cross to prove how "American" it is has control over these organizations, they're not likely to change. And 95% of the media are owned by right-wing corporations.

It's very useful to them to be protecting "Purity." It gives them thousands of religionist footsoldiers to go complain in, for example, B&N if anything transgresses the pristine stereotype of One Man One Woman. When you get real hard-core bigotry operating, no amount of logic or sanity can get through.

Date: 2010-03-30 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lee-rowan.livejournal.com
Well, they GAVE the untouchables a seat at the back of the bus, and they seem happy with it - what more do you expect from the Ladies of Romance?

I'd spit on RWA but I don't want to waste the DNA. And I WISH to hell that the people who oppose this discrimination would withhold their dues for six months.

Actually, I wish they'd just form a new organization, it's past time. But the answer is always "Oh, but my LOCAL group is so NICE..."

Inertia is appallingly powerful.

Date: 2010-03-30 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] heidicullinan.livejournal.com
Lee. I heart you.

I want this new organization too. As soon as it forms, I'm right there in it. I just don't have the strength/will/spare brain cells to help form it. But if I find out somebody's put up a rainbow flag outside of RWA, I'm THERE. Or if there's a serious challenge to take them on and try to get this changed. But. Oh well.

Date: 2010-03-30 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lee-rowan.livejournal.com
I think the rainbow chapter considers itself a serious challenge, just like the sensuous/erotic writers consider their ghetto a serious challenge.

Like gay marriage, it's a matter of time. Eventually the younger writers who don't think love is solely a matter of reproductive viability WILL outlive the fossils.

I wonder if the UK group would consider starting chapters in North America?

Date: 2010-03-30 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelabenedetti.livejournal.com
But the answer is always "Oh, but my LOCAL group is so NICE..."

Yes, this. It seems to be the local groups that are holding many of the members to the larger organization. And last I heard, any local group that wants to split off has to give its entire official bank account "back" to RWA National. Nice set of golden handcuffs there.

[If it were me, if I were dictator of a local group that was great in and of itself but didn't want to be tied to a bunch of fossilized bigots anymore, I'd throw a big conference or something, or have a contest with lavish prizes, and spend every damn cent of the official group treasury, then send in our official secession letter. Start over with a new fundraiser and take it from there. But that's me.]

I understand all the people who are excited about the special GLBT chapter, and the e-pub chapter too. But seriously, they're ghettos. Having their own chapters hasn't brought any of them any closer to being recognized at the national level, which essentially means having a ghost of a chance with the RITAs, or having their publishers granted official status. That's National policy and that's how it is, and probably how it will be for a while, brand new ghetto chapters or not.

If other people want to get excited then that's great, and I wish them well. I hope they're right and it can be changed from the inside. For myself, I'll be damned if I give money to an organization that spits on me twice -- once for what I write and then again for how it's published.

Angie

Date: 2010-03-30 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lee-rowan.livejournal.com
The sensuous romance folks have been trying for ten years. I'm not willing to wait until I'm eligible for Medicare, and I'll be damned if I'll pay their huge membership fees. A lot of the heirarchy of RWA is right-wing religionist, and I don't send a penny their way if I can possibly help it.

Date: 2010-03-30 09:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] alex-beecroft.livejournal.com
False Colors was nominated for the RITAs this year when I couldn't enter it into the Lammies. Not that I held out a lot of hope that anything would come of it. Awards are clearly not my thing :)

Date: 2010-03-30 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
Well that entirely sums the contest up then, because i'll bet my entire 3 cats that FC is better written than any of the het wallpaper historicals!

Date: 2010-03-31 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lee-rowan.livejournal.com
There are some good het historicals, some as good as FC. But none better, IMO...

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