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Well, I think I found out what was wrong with Mere Mortals:

I've had THREE false starts with this story and it was driving me mad. First I started in the wrong place from the wrong POV, then I had the wrong location completely, and in the past few days I'd been really struggling. The words were coming, and I was onto chapter three, but every sentence was a real pain--it felt like I was waist deep in mud and the words weren't coming.  It seemed dull, boring--and crivens, if I thought it was, it was a sure bet that the reader certainly would. I can only really use my own gut instinct in this respect, if my erotic scenes turn me on, I hope that it will do for others, and if my prose seems pedestrian to me, well... you get the picture. It had been nagging me that perhaps the book needed to be in first person, and I had been shying away from this idea for two reasons:

1. Two out of the last 3 things that I'd written had been First Person--Junction X and Hard and Fast.  I don't want (even though I've written more 3rd person than I have 1st) to get stuck and unable to get back into writing 3rd. and;

2. I know that a good few people say: "I never read first person, I hate it."  But I had to come to the decision that I don't write for other people. If they want to lose a huge chunk of what's available to read, that's their loss.

So I switched and BINGO!!  Everything seemed to slot into place. The words simply poured out and no longer was a it a case of feeling like I was pushing a boulder up a very steep mountain while eagles pecked at my liver.  Well, perhaps still the liver thing, but you know what I mean. Or if you don't - you are lucky.  It makes much more sense to put it into first for many reasons that I can't talk about or it will spoil the plot. so, anyway. Am happy.

And Talking about Happy - Things I'm loving about Patrick O'Brian:

He's very wicked. A sense of humour that makes me die laughing, and he makes Jack Aubrey anything but a Mary Sue. Jack commits the most awful faux-pas, getting drunk at important land-side parties and saying things like "the men are waiting to come ashore, money in their pockets and all their pricks a yard long" and another time he confuses the word patois with putain. Nothing is said about it, no-one comments, and if the reader didn't know the meanings of the words the rudeness of it would just glide by. I am loving it. Every character described is wonderful, from the yard-master, Brown, who (in the way of any man who runs a storeroom/yard of any type - we had a stationery monitor who was JUST the same) doesn't like to give any of his stock away, to conflicted Catholic lieutenants.

The mate Marshall is in love with Aubrey. Every single man aboard knows it too, apart from Jack, who just thinks that the man's attention to detail and his driving the crew to do their best work is simply from a sense of duty and seamanship--and NOT that he wants to get a kind word or a smile from his captain. It makes it more amusing and more realistic is that Marshall is a 50 year old "bluff" man, not a slender, handsome effete type and that Jack is rather fat, ruddy and old-fashioned (wears his hat the less fashionable way around, like Nelson, who he emulates, and his hair long)

So much to love!  I don't understand much of the terminology, I have to admit--and that spoils it a little for me--I would have appreciated an extensive glossary, but it would have been impossible, as the glossary would be the same size of the book itself.  I suppose people buy companion books to the series to help them, but I'm just working around it. I admit that I do tend to try and use words in context to make things easier for my readers, but I applaud O'Brian's decision to just say "bugger it - if they don't get the words, let them look it up."  I'll probably be squeeing more about it all.

Bleurgh Blurb of the day.

"Famous for the witch trials of 1692, Salem has been trying to
smudge out the horrible images of murder and injustice for centuries."


Really? I rather got the impression that, rather than attempting to sweep the incident under the carpet, Salem based their entire economy on it.

ETA: And OMG. So. MUCH. WRONG.

I can't think of one thing here that doesn't squick me. Perhaps the uniforms. I mean.. how do they kiss? And no, I'm not getting the book to find out.

Date: 2009-01-29 11:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mroctober.livejournal.com
Furrydom seems to be something akin to the gay for some straight people - they find it full of ick factors.

Date: 2009-01-29 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
It's baffling. I mean Tony there, doesn't even have thumbs.

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Date: 2009-01-29 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rbm00.livejournal.com
Some people like writing about animals, and giving them human characteristics and making them gay. I don't find that any stranger than all the paranormals out there (and the m-preg in the fan-fictions).

The author is a nice man. I followed the link through Elisa's journal and asked him if he had ebooks out. He pointed me to his free fiction.

Date: 2009-01-29 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
I'm not casting any aspersions against anyone as a person, I'm sure the author is a perfectly nice person. It simply squicks me.

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Date: 2009-01-29 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m-barnette.livejournal.com
They're not 'animals' per se. They're anthropomorphic. Animal based people, not animals. The white rabbit from Alice in Wonderland was actually the first anthro character to find it's way into 'mainstream' fiction.

And yes, I've got friends who write anthropomorphic characters. Not all of it is 'gay sex' either. That's just what Elisa reviewed.

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Date: 2009-01-29 12:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mylodon.livejournal.com
I love Marshall. Love him to death. Keep using him in fanfic.

PS It's Maturin who's the Mary Sue...

Date: 2009-01-29 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
He is, isn't he? Trepanning? Delivering babies, spying - nothing is too difficult!

Marshall is adorable. The way he stands up for Jack "The Captain has a most elegant figger" when Maturin accuses him of being fat, and blushing and stammering when jack praises him for a job well done!

Date: 2009-01-29 12:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suryaofvulcan.livejournal.com
OMG - I think I've just realised why I'm stalled on one of my stories. It needs to be in 3rd person, not first! Gah! Thank you.

Date: 2009-01-29 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
It's worth trying, if stalled!! Go for it!

Date: 2009-01-29 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vashtan.livejournal.com
I know too many furry fans to find anything weird about it. :) But then, I've spend my teenager years with getting completely corrupted.

Date: 2009-01-29 12:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
That could be part of it, me being a relative N00B even to fanfiction,(compared to many of my flist) I didn't really come across furries in Potterdom - there was some bestiality which I stayed away from, and this probably squicks me because I can't remove the actual physical characteristics of a tiger and fox from a human's. I really don't want to think about it, but I assume they must have human genitalia under the fur. And not retractable. ARGH. brain bleach.

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Date: 2009-01-29 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-sea-to.livejournal.com
just teenage years? I don't believe you!

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Date: 2009-01-29 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-sea-to.livejournal.com
OH JESUS THE IMAGE HAS BURNT MY EYES TO LITTLE BITS

glad the story is working hon - I sent you another chunk of DRM yesterday on the grounds it may cheer you up. No pressure at all. I think there is sex though.

Date: 2009-01-29 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
I mean. Blow jobs. I mean.... NO ONE who has seen a tiger close up would want to stick their cock in his mouth.

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Date: 2009-01-29 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spikeyboots.livejournal.com
O.O

They have books for furries? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. ... but O.O

Wow. More power to niche publishing and everything - but I'm still with you in the: I totally don't get it basket. Like you say in one of the comments, I never even really knew furries existed until I branched outside of Harry Potter fandom. ...

Date: 2009-01-29 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
It's all very disturbing, and even more so as I allow myself to think about it. I'll never be able to watch Robin Hood again. Rhinos. erk.

Date: 2009-01-29 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kittymay.livejournal.com

I'm loving both the tiger's roguish ass-pat and the simpering, camp expression on the fox's face. The fox is the bottom, definitely. No doubt.

Oh, you have made my day : ))



Date: 2009-01-29 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
I think I've traumatised my day!

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Date: 2009-01-29 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rwday.livejournal.com
OMG, that book cover! It looks like Disney porn. Shere Khan/Robin Hood. (The fox one, not Errol Flynn.)

Date: 2009-01-29 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
I know. I'm shaking. I mean Shere Khan WAS sexy. But not in THIS WAY!!!!

Date: 2009-01-29 02:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ggymeta.wordpress.com (from livejournal.com)
I have a friend who makes a good chunk of money drawing het furry comics - and recently there's been a company soliciting through Diamond that specializes in GloBL Furry, they're called Hot Cider Press. [In Japan, it's called Kemano, or Jujin--which means beast-man]--and the hottest title in Japan right now is a self-produced series called 'Built Tiger' by an artist called 'Ironman' [his circle is called GAMMA].

Link: http://www.hotciderpress.com/juicy/?p=27
Link: http://gamma-g.hp.infoseek.co.jp/b-tiger/

Personally, it squicks me too, it's not my thing--but boy it does have its fans, and they love their genre!

Date: 2009-01-29 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
I'm sure it's huge. I just can't get it, and I've really tried. I mean... TEETH!

omg. Mice with breasts. I may never recover.

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Date: 2009-01-29 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mroctober.livejournal.com
I've had sex with a furry.

Date: 2009-01-29 03:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] alex-beecroft.livejournal.com
I do wonder how it works, but I presume it's like a metaphor for personality type? (And the animals aren't really animals at all). Still, I don't see the appeal of het, so my incapacity for enjoying things other people like a lot is no new thing :)

Date: 2009-01-29 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
I didn't know about the metaphor thing, as I say, I've never read it, and I certainly wouldn't - I don't have any beef against people who do - anyone's entitled to write anything, but I'd be asking stupid questions like "how do they kiss?" and worrying about sharp penises.

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Date: 2009-01-29 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mzcalypso.livejournal.com
You need A Sea of Words, the O'Brian lexicon. King & Hattendorf, try Abe Books. It makes things exponentially easier.

The furry stuff... Anything I can say will sound judgemental. The idea that grown human beings find it sexy to dress up as stuffed animals...??? I know, nice people and all that, but it seems incredibly childish.... and like you, I think the anatomical factor makes such fantasies -- well, literally in-credible. Even though I love animals, I think even the deepest human-pet bond is essentially adult/child--we are in loco parentis for our non-human kin because humans have made every other species dependent on our goodwill for survival. They are not the same as we are. A tiger who got its paws on a fox ... that's not lust, that's lunch. (Yes, there are some deep animal friendships, like the stray cat that bonded with a bear cub and now has a quarter-ton buddy... but I don't think those are ever sexual relationships.)

Animated animals have always been used to parody human sexual foibles (Pepe le Phew, for instance--the little bastard is a serial rapist, when you get right down to it, portrayed as cute!) but anthropomorphising graphic sex? A bra for Minnie Mouse would be a six-pack--how is that erotic? I saw Fritz the Cat way back when and found it obnoxious (I don't like Bakshi's stuff, though--he even managed to muck up Tolkien.) Animal sexuality is not the same as human, and conflating the two seems to me -- and this is my opinion, not intended as fact--to be demeaning to animals and I don't even want to get into what it seems to imply about the humans. Most critters I've known are far more logical and direct than most humans, and considerably less neurotic.

The shifter stories ... going by blurbs and excerpts, it seems that a lot of them are playing a game of 'can you top this?' But that's my gripe with most paranormal stuff---there's a lot of archetypal metaphor in vampire/ shape-changer lore, and reducing all that to 'ooh, vamps, sexaaay...' is just ... like finding the best 5-star restaurant in town and ordering toast. The only writer I've run across that deals with shifting in an intelligent, believable way is Terry Pratchett. Angua-wolf is a wolf, not a pretty girl with a fur suit.

Please, anyone who disagrees with what I've said, don't tell me that this genre has lots of fervent adherents. That ... really doesn't prove anything. McDonalds sells billions of burgers.

Date: 2009-01-29 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girluknow.livejournal.com
Aww, I would've liked to know what you based your decision on when you changed from third to first. I'm still struggling with that one. Were you writing third person from a single POV or multiple?

Date: 2009-01-29 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
Thank goodness, someone who's not focusing on the furry - I'm regretting putting that picture up.

I was writing it from one persons POV - and was supposing that at some point, I'd be switching POV to at least the other 3 major characters but the further I got along, I realised that it just didn't seem to be working that way, I don't want to explain too much - and the situation needs to be explored by the main protag, at the same speed as the reader. I don't know if changing the POV will work, but it certainly is sliding along easier now. I can't say that I based the decision on anything in particular, rather than it was very hard work, and didn't feel right.

Hope that makes some kinds of sense.

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Date: 2009-01-29 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haydenthorne.net (from livejournal.com)
Can I moon everyone and break up the tension?

Date: 2009-01-29 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kittymay.livejournal.com
That's quite an all-over tan you have there my good man/woman.

Date: 2009-01-29 06:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rikibeth.livejournal.com
Also, on the Aubrey-Maturin books, just wait until you get to the second or third volume, when Pullings is temporarily commanding an Indiaman -- there's a scene concerning the brass cannons that had me laughing hard enough to make my mother ask questions.

Date: 2009-01-29 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
Oh brilliant. I'm seeking out cheap copies all over the net I must have them ALL! Thank you!

Date: 2009-01-29 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dakotaflint.livejournal.com
This is probably a dumb question (I excel at those!) but is a furry book different from a shapeshifter book?

And I have to say thank you! I was having a lot of trouble with a story, I had put it away for a few months and recently pulled it out again for another rewrite, and it still wasn't gelling. I never thought to switch POV (now I feel kind of "duh" about it) but I read your post earlier and just rewrote a scene and it felt so...natural. YAY!

Date: 2009-01-29 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
Yes - furries are animals in clothes like Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck that sort of thing. No shifting - although I don't know enough about the genre, some may be able to. People actually dress up as animals, go to cons, have sex as those animals, Furrycons etc. It is a huge genre, more in the East, as far as I know, though.

I'm glad that I helped jolt something lose!

Date: 2009-01-29 10:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kerri
Totally with you on the cover. Non-con, incest, I've read them all - but furrydom is a place I can't venture. I'm glad it makes people happy, but it just doesn't do it for me. :P

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