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Aug. 21st, 2006 08:12 am
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10 Things I have learned/discovered whilst researching novels.

1. Prince Rupert invented lithography
2. Men's pants (knickers) were called "strossers" in the 17th Century. Not very attractive.
3. Gay Love-Letters from Lord Hervey to Stephen Fox
4. Rictor Norton! What a boon he is!
5. That in the 19th century, whilst sodomy was a hanging offence, proof of ejaculation had to be given to the court - and this, of course, was difficult to prove, so participants were sentenced to a lesser offence, that of assault with sodomitical intent.
6. The Shakespearian insult scroller
7. Cromwell was a university drop-out and yet still managed to be an MP. Nothing much changes.
8. Matthew Hopkins (perhaps the most notorious name in the history of English witchcraft, more commonly known as "The Witch-Finder General") who in 2 years, was responsible for the condemnations and executions of some 230 alleged witches was a lawyer. I'm not particularly surprised. Nowadays of course he would probably condone such behaviour. (evil grin)
9. There were only 7 prisoners in the Bastille when it was "Stormed." The Maquis de Sade was one of them.
10. I hate research.

Date: 2006-08-21 07:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] l-prieto.livejournal.com
I've got a novel that's set in the 17th century. Please feel free to share--I mean, talk about your research all you want ;)

How's the writing going?

Date: 2006-08-21 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
i got five wrong, of course, it's the 18th Century, but I did research the 17th (around the English Civil War a LOT)

Pretty good, am four chapters into the new novel, but I've had the 2nd Edit back of Standish now, so I need to concentrate on that until its done. Shame. Boo! The first Lurve scene will just have to wait.

What's the novel about?

Date: 2006-08-21 08:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosie-red73.livejournal.com
Yeah, see I don't need to do research. I got my education from reading Transgressions :D I loved all the detail in it actually, I found it really very interesting, all the stuff about the army and the witch hunting and the blacksmithery (is that a word?) especially.

Anyway, I'll email you in a bit. I'm in a celebratory mood. I just dropped off my accounts with my accountant. HURRAH!

Date: 2006-08-21 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
Well, I wouldn't rely on me!

*G*

Date: 2006-08-21 08:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gehayi.livejournal.com
Matthew Hopkins was a lawyer? Huh. No wonder he was evil.

(I went to law school. I've worked for lawyers for YEARS. I know.)

Who is Ricktor Norton? (It's probably bad that the first thing that came to mind was The Borrowers by Mary Norton.)

Date: 2006-08-21 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
Yes! Evil! You think that they would have put the lawyers up against the wall, THEN wouldn't you!!!?

Yep. Evil. *points to current job*

Rictor Norton is a brilliant authority on all things gay, especially gay historical.

http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/gayhist.htm

Date: 2006-08-21 11:50 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
10. Um. I love research, so if there's stuff I can help with, let me know.

3. There's a book of love letters between King James and his minions.

5. Out of curiousity, in which book did you discover that?

Date: 2006-08-21 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
Thank you!!! I certainly will!

Oooo, linkee?

I was wrong, slip of the finger, it was the 19th century, and I picked my sodomy law in the 19th century from the Old Bailey site, here.

http://www.hrionline.ac.uk/luceneweb/bailey/results.jsp?words=sodomitical+intent&format=and&type=&range=&year=


Assault with Sodomitical Intent

This charge was levelled in cases of attempted or actual anal intercourse where it was thought impossible (or undesirable) to prove that penetration and ejaculation had actually occurred. This offence was a misdemeanour. See also: Sodomy.

Sodomy

Anal or oral intercourse between a man and another man, woman, or beast. In order to obtain a conviction, it was necessary to prove that both penetration and ejaculation had occurred, and two witnesses were required to prove the crime. Both the "active" and "passive" partner could be found guilty of this offence. But due to the difficulty of proving this offence, many men were prosecuted with the reduced charge of Assault with Sodomitical Intent.
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From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
Me either!

It seems fair that I shouldn't be prosecuted if I hang everyone in my firm then?

Date: 2006-08-21 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] themostepotente.livejournal.com
The website on homosexuality in the eighteenth century is quite interesting. I've bookmarked it.

Date: 2006-08-21 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
Very useful, I wouldn't have written either book without it

Date: 2006-08-21 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maidenform.livejournal.com
6. AHAHAHAHAHAH!!
5. That makes me seethe, for some reason.

Date: 2006-08-21 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
yes, me too!

Date: 2006-08-21 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aigooism.livejournal.com
#2 cracked me up. And #9? Really? Only 7 prisoners? Wow... so much for a big ass prison.

Date: 2006-08-21 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
Yes, I really COULDN'T bring myself to write "he pulled off David's strossers" it really REALLY broke the mood.

And yes! And they have "Bastille Day" to celebrate this. I mean, a team of geriatrics could have stormed it. There was probably one guard and he was probably asleep.

Date: 2006-08-21 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aigooism.livejournal.com
*sniggers* ... That does kind of broke one's mood... well... you could just say... I dunno underclothes? Although that sounds just as bad to me x_x;;

And that's really strange to have Bastille Day... I dunno...? Maybe the number of prisoners were small, but it was a damn hard fortress to break into?

Date: 2006-08-21 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ally-blue.livejournal.com
LOLOL!!! You learned some pretty interesting things :D

Date: 2006-08-21 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
a lot more than I wanted to really. Shame there is not a "post novel wipe" button.

Date: 2006-08-21 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rwday.livejournal.com
So it sounds like the Bastille wasn't so much stormed as drizzled. Nice of them to want to free the Marquis de Sade, though. Gives me a visual image of French peasants armed with pitchforks and cudgels fighting for their right to kinky sex.

Date: 2006-08-21 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com
*dies laughing*

Omg! So THAT'S what Bastille Day is all about!

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